Nikon D40 with 300mm lens AND teleconverter (Nikkor AF-STeleconverter TC-20E II)

Wolfgang said:
You cannot read, can you? I understand the AF motor. I don't
forgive not metering.

You gots to pay if you wants to play! Some posers would love to drive a
5-series BMW, but the dumb bastards don't have enough pocket change for a
3-series. Same logic with Canon not putting spot metering in their earlier
version dSLRs. You don't like what a certain model offers you step up to
the next level and pay accordingly for it. Now stop you envious tantrums.





Rita
 
Rita said:
You gots to pay if you wants to play! Some posers would love to drive a
5-series BMW, but the dumb bastards don't have enough pocket change for a
3-series. Same logic with Canon not putting spot metering in their earlier
version dSLRs. You don't like what a certain model offers you step up to
the next level and pay accordingly for it. Now stop you envious tantrums.

I agree that a lot of posers drive Beamers, same as guys posing as
female when they post, "Rita".

Canon's not offering spot metering on lower end DSLRs was their
marketing/cost/profit determination. Of course, you're smarter than the
entire Canon Camera dept.
 
John said:
Canon's not offering spot metering on lower end DSLRs was their
marketing/cost/profit determination. Of course, you're smarter than
the entire Canon Camera dept.

BINGO! For a dumbass you can really yank a pearl of logic from your ass
every once in a while. And how exactly is this different from Nikon's
marketing wizards omitting an AF motor and supposedly lack of metering with
older AI lenses. Explain it to Wolfie, he speaks your language.





Rita
 
Wolfgang Weisselberg said:
You cannot read, can you? I understand the AF motor. I don't
forgive not metering.

The D40 meters just fine with any Nikon or third-party lens (other than
something goofy like a Lensbaby) on the market today that I know of. That's
all the typical entry-level buyer of a D40 is likely ever to care about, and
that's the buyer for whom the D40 was primarily designed.

Owners or prospective buyers of older F-mount lenses are reasonably expected
to do their homework before buying a D40.

Neil
 
when it's never been even defined to be so in any RFC, much less
a news/usenet related RFC.

If you want to know how such things work, go look up e.g. RFC
2821 or the current MIME-RFCs.

What's all this RFC stuff anyway? I presume you guys aren't talking about
the Royal Flying Corps.

[ . . . ]
And my little old 50mm f/1.4 is certaonly a very
special purpose lens --- it doesn't even do 49mm or 51mm,

It may. But it probably doesn't "do" 50mm.

Most 50mm lenses are not really 50mm f.l.; typically they're 52mm or so.
Focal lengths of camera lenses are seldom the stated value.

Neil
 
Rita said:
BINGO! For a dumbass you can really yank a pearl of logic from your ass
every once in a while. And how exactly is this different from Nikon's
marketing wizards omitting an AF motor and supposedly lack of metering with
older AI lenses. Explain it to Wolfie, he speaks your language.


You are no lady, sir.

lsmft
 
Rita said:
You gots to pay if you wants to play! Some posers would love to drive a
5-series BMW, but the dumb bastards don't have enough pocket change for a
3-series.

Pot:Kettle: Black.

Hilarious that "Rita" would mention posing.

lsmft
 
Rita Berkowitz said:
John McWilliams wrote:
BINGO! For a dumbass you can really yank a pearl of logic from your ass
every once in a while.

So you are the head of the Microsoft marketing department,
or can you poor dumb bastard not buy such a position from your
pocket change? In which case you are a poser, Ritachen.
And how exactly is this different from Nikon's
marketing wizards omitting an AF motor and supposedly lack of metering with
older AI lenses.

Words you use, language not.
Explain it to Wolfie, he speaks your language.

You're the expert marketing intelligence idiot! You explain.

-Wolfgang
 
Neil Harrington said:
The D40 meters just fine with any Nikon or third-party lens (other than
something goofy like a Lensbaby) on the market today that I know of.

It does?
Or does your definition of "something goofy" include anything
not having Nikon electrical contacts and a CPU? Like ...
older F-mount lenses?

And why does it not meter a lens baby, an 500mm manual
catadioptic lens and so on?
That's
all the typical entry-level buyer of a D40 is likely ever to care about, and
that's the buyer for whom the D40 was primarily designed.

Ah, yes.
The D40 is designed for those who want a camera which _might_ be
able to mount a half-dozen lenses --- but most buyers stay with
the kit lens, anyway, so no need to change lenses. Most buyers
don't really need the viewfinder ... well, so basically the D40
is a bridge camera with SLR-viewfinder and a handful of lenses
most people won't care about anyway.

Good for Nikon, if it works for them.
Owners or prospective buyers of older F-mount lenses are reasonably expected
to do their homework before buying a D40.

Ah, yes, I so do love the DLL-hell of Windows, I don't touch
that kind of stuff any more. I want to do photography, or at
least snap shooting (noone ever accused me to be a great artist).

If I want to be in a passage of twisting interdependencies, likely
to be eaten by a grue, I'll play adventure. But if people derive
masochistic pleasure from these things, who am _I_ to tell them
they shall not!

-Wolfgang
 
Neil Harrington said:
What's all this RFC stuff anyway? I presume you guys aren't talking about
the Royal Flying Corps.

Nope.
RFC stands for "Request For Comments" and is the very very modest
name of the documents that define the Internet. Literally.
The Internet protocol, NNTP, Email, HTTP, MIME and many more
of the protocols that allow your computer to interact with the
network and do things thereon are defined there.

Sort of like "Gods' manufacturer's guide and exact technical
information" for the Internet.
[ . . . ]
And my little old 50mm f/1.4 is certaonly a very
special purpose lens --- it doesn't even do 49mm or 51mm,
It may. But it probably doesn't "do" 50mm.

Oh, well, I am quite sure that at one fous setting it only has
only one focal length ...

-Wolfgang
 
Wolfgang said:
How are you sure that the lens itself stops down linearly?

canon's chuck westfall explains the problem in detail:

<http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0508/westfall.html>

Q: My EOS 20D in aperture priority mode with manual diaphragm lenses
exposes properly at f/2.8 and f/4, begins to overexpose from f/5.6 to
f/8, then comes back down around f/11. How can this be possible? Is
there a solution besides using an external meter?

A: The EOS 20D focusing screen is optimized for superior brightness
at moderate apertures from about f/3.5 and smaller, compared to
conventional ground glass designs. This makes the viewfinder image
brighter and easier to focus manually at those moderate apertures,
but the trade-off is that it passes disproportionately more light to
the metering system. When a Canon EF lens is mounted to an EOS
camera, a variable exposure compensation factor (a program curve, not
just a fixed compensation factor) for this phenomenon is fed through
the system in order to provide correct metering for all apertures.
However, when using a non-coupled manual diaphragm lens as you
describe, no such communication takes place, so the responsibility
for exposure compensation reverts to you. It's unnecessary to use an
external meter. Instead, you can take a series of test shots at the
working aperture(s) you plan to use, then analyze the test photos to
determine the most desirable exposure compensation factor for each
aperture. The 20D's auto exposure bracketing (AEB) function speeds up
the process of taking the test photos, and you can use the Info
palette in Photoshop to determine the most accurate exposure. If you
can standardize on one or two particular apertures you plan to use
(for maximum sharpness, desired depth of field, etc.), it will
simplify the calibration process by eliminating the need for tests at
other apertures.

to quote you, "I don't forgive not metering" to which i add "correctly."

what's odd about it? and why does it even matter?
Or is there, just *maybe*, a line break behind "Canon__Super_Teleph"?

i ran tcpdump while posting and you're right, it does add a line break
when wrapping outgoing text. however, it's not noticable in urls
because both newsreaders (one gui, one text based) as well as email and
even text editors that i use all detect urls, regardless of embedded
line breaks and even without delimiters most of the time, so at the end
of the day, it doesn't really matter if there's an extra line break or
not.
Show me the Nikon 50mm f/1.0, if you please. I want to see one.

nikon could make a 50mm f/1 if they thought it would be profitable, but
as canon found out, it probably isn't a worthwhile venture. nikon
users have modified even faster lenses to nikon mounts (see below for a
42mm & 62mm f/0.75), so clearly, there is very little that precludes
making one, other than a compelling business model.

<http://www.muellerworld.com/exhibits/fast_lens/>
 
Wolfgang said:
The D40 is designed for those who want a camera which _might_ be
able to mount a half-dozen lenses

not quite. there are roughly *fifty* lenses that will autofocus on the
d40 and focus confirmation works with the rest of them.
 
Neil said:
Owners or prospective buyers of older F-mount lenses are reasonably
expected to do their homework before buying a D40.

BINGO! You do forget that this concept is lost on most Canon shooters since
they lack the level of intelligence required to do "homework" that is needed
for an educated purchase.





Rita
 
Wolfgang said:
And why does it not meter a lens baby, an 500mm manual
catadioptic lens and so on?

Maybe you have to step up to the next model and pay more for that feature?
It's not a difficult concept for most people to understand.





Rita
 
nospam said:
not quite. there are roughly *fifty* lenses that will autofocus on
the d40 and focus confirmation works with the rest of them.

Wolfie doesn't care. He'd rather use that substandard consumer grade Canon
crap.





Rita
 
nospam said:
canon's chuck westfall explains the problem in detail:

<http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0508/westfall.html>

Q: My EOS 20D in aperture priority mode with manual diaphragm lenses
exposes properly at f/2.8 and f/4, begins to overexpose from f/5.6 to
f/8, then comes back down around f/11. How can this be possible? Is
there a solution besides using an external meter?

A: The EOS 20D focusing screen is optimized for superior brightness
at moderate apertures from about f/3.5 and smaller, compared to
conventional ground glass designs. This makes the viewfinder image
brighter and easier to focus manually at those moderate apertures,
but the trade-off is that it passes disproportionately more light to
the metering system.

Sounds like a piss poor design to me! In Canon's defense, at least the 20D
users don't get "ERROR 99" messages when using manual lenses.





Rita
 
Wolfgang said:
It does?
Yep.


Or does your definition of "something goofy" include anything
not having Nikon electrical contacts and a CPU? Like ...
older F-mount lenses?

Older F-mount lenses are not "on the market today" in the sense that I'm
using that term. As I pointed out:
And why does it not meter a lens baby, an 500mm manual
catadioptic lens and so on?

Why ask why? It doesn't need to. The D40 is designed primarily for the
entry-level buyer who is very unlikely to be interested in such lenses.
Lensbabies and mirror lenses are for a tiny fraction of one percent of users
who wouldn't be buying a D40 in the first place.
Ah, yes.
The D40 is designed for those who want a camera which _might_ be
able to mount a half-dozen lenses ---

Look again. All of Nikon's currently catalogued lenses will mount and meter
just fine on a D40, all the recent ones will autofocus on it too, and that's
rather more than "a half-dozen." See for yourself:
http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5

See anything there that won't mount and meter on a D40?

but most buyers stay with
the kit lens, anyway, so no need to change lenses.

But the capability to do so is always there. Most Ferrari buyers are never
going to enter Le Mans either.

Most buyers
don't really need the viewfinder ...

Now you've crossed the line from silliness to lunacy. No offense.

Neil
 
Rita said:
BINGO! You do forget that this concept is lost on most Canon
shooters since they lack the level of intelligence required to do
"homework" that is needed for an educated purchase.

Ah. I knew there must be an explanation.

Neil
 
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